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Posted by Ben in brisbane @ 14:21 on Aug 24 2008
this was written the day i herd the news:
this is immensely personal to me - mike was a friend. i have had meals with him and amanda.
i feel massively betrayed.i wept for him, i prayed for him and i cried out for healing for him. for what? it was all for nothing. when we was at Planetshakers conference in melbourne and sung healer i cried like a baby to see him on stage. seeing him sing that, when i at the time thought i knew how much it meant to him - meant so much to me.
i spent today with my Ex talking about it and i will be talking with my pastor after church on sunday. I'm really depressed over this. i used to really look up to Ps. Mike. he was an inspiration to me. now i all i have is pity. i pity the fact he felt like he had to do that, and than lie for so long. the only positives out of this are that i learnt of this from my church, not from someone else and now mike can get the help he needs to get his head straight.
i really feel sorry for Amanda, Kris, Danny and the entire Guglielmucci family. i will be lifting all of them up in my prayers.
addendum:
however, i have now come to the realization that although what mike did was a horrid act, i believe we can't let the devil win. my experience is that the devil attacks just before we are about to make major ground for god, and i believe that in a year ot two time we will look back and be happy at what has happened since this. this can also be good for a church as the "dead wood" - those looking for an excuse to leave will do so, and you are left stronger for this.
this was written the day i herd the news:
this is immensely personal to me - mike was a friend. i have had meals with him and amanda.
i feel massively betrayed.i wept for him, i prayed for him and i cried out for healing for him. for what? it was all for nothing. when we was at Planetshakers conference in melbourne and sung healer i cried like a baby to see him on stage. seeing him sing that, when i at the time thought i knew how much it meant to him - meant so much to me.
i spent today with my Ex talking about it and i will be talking with my pastor after church on sunday. I'm really depressed over this. i used to really look up to Ps. Mike. he was an inspiration to me. now i all i have is pity. i pity the fact he felt like he had to do that, and than lie for so long. the only positives out of this are that i learnt of this from my church, not from someone else and now mike can get the help he needs to get his head straight.
i really feel sorry for Amanda, Kris, Danny and the entire Guglielmucci family. i will be lifting all of them up in my prayers.
addendum:
however, i have now come to the realization that although what mike did was a horrid act, i believe we can't let the devil win. my experience is that the devil attacks just before we are about to make major ground for god, and i believe that in a year ot two time we will look back and be happy at what has happened since this. this can also be good for a church as the "dead wood" - those looking for an excuse to leave will do so, and you are left stronger for this.
Posted by mick in Adelaide @ 06:46 on Aug 24 2008
Just one more Christian fraud. My guess is that there are plenty more out there who will never be exposed.
Just one more Christian fraud. My guess is that there are plenty more out there who will never be exposed.
Posted by James in Sydney @ 16:36 on Aug 23 2008
I am terribly shaken by the news of the deception of Mr.Guglielmucci. In no words can i describe the dissapointment i feel. However, i am also deeply saddened by how far short of rebuking this disgraeful sin, yourself and our other so called "men of god" actually come. Have we forgotten that not only is god infinitely loving, merciful and forgiving, but he is also infintely righteous, vengeful and holy.
Have we forgotten James 3:1,where it says leaders will recieve stricter judgement? or have we forgotten in samuel, where God's anger was enraged when Eli did not rebuke his sons for their sins?
Stand For Truth. Ask the Spirit to guide you in what is right.
"....Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity"
I am terribly shaken by the news of the deception of Mr.Guglielmucci. In no words can i describe the dissapointment i feel. However, i am also deeply saddened by how far short of rebuking this disgraeful sin, yourself and our other so called "men of god" actually come. Have we forgotten that not only is god infinitely loving, merciful and forgiving, but he is also infintely righteous, vengeful and holy.
Have we forgotten James 3:1,where it says leaders will recieve stricter judgement? or have we forgotten in samuel, where God's anger was enraged when Eli did not rebuke his sons for their sins?
Stand For Truth. Ask the Spirit to guide you in what is right.
"....Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity"
Reply by me in home @ 15:50 on Aug 24 2008
I think you've missed the point. it is not you who gets to pass judgement in order to satisfy the part of us that craves 'justice'. (and I use the term very loosly)
Yes Mike will suffer the consequences and his actions and has been judged by a righteous God, however, when Jesus hung on the cross He hung there for Mike in this moment of sin and for the rest of us in our moments of sin and he bore that judgement.
Get off your high horse, our sins are no better or worse than what Mike has done, just not as public.
I think you've missed the point. it is not you who gets to pass judgement in order to satisfy the part of us that craves 'justice'. (and I use the term very loosly)
Yes Mike will suffer the consequences and his actions and has been judged by a righteous God, however, when Jesus hung on the cross He hung there for Mike in this moment of sin and for the rest of us in our moments of sin and he bore that judgement.
Get off your high horse, our sins are no better or worse than what Mike has done, just not as public.
Posted by in Perth @ 14:25 on Aug 23 2008
Let's not be too weak to ask the hard questions: Why does the church create pedastals and put the charasmatic ones right up the top? Meakness, humility and servanthood are nowhere to be seen, but flash clothes, car and a killer set of lyrics might get you there. Show some grace but lets not be idiots!
Sad thing is, it'll happen again before we know it
Let's not be too weak to ask the hard questions: Why does the church create pedastals and put the charasmatic ones right up the top? Meakness, humility and servanthood are nowhere to be seen, but flash clothes, car and a killer set of lyrics might get you there. Show some grace but lets not be idiots!
Sad thing is, it'll happen again before we know it
Posted by Mark C Martin in Adelaide, South Australia @ 11:05 on Aug 23 2008
...because they're liars? duh!
...because they're liars? duh!
Posted by Simon MacDougal-Mars in Adelaide, SA @ 10:15 on Aug 23 2008
Jesus is bigger
Jesus is bigger
Posted by Adam Jackowski in Brisbane @ 06:21 on Aug 23 2008
I find it's when these things happen that we can discover what love is. Love is based on our decision not the actions of others. God loves us because of who he is, not what we do (my beautiful wife bestowed this revelation upon me). We just have to learn to be like him (a great reason to talk with Him). It's hard because we constantly risk being hurt or let down - but the rewards are so great. If things like this stop us loving we have to ask the question of ourselves - Did we really love them at all?
I find it's when these things happen that we can discover what love is. Love is based on our decision not the actions of others. God loves us because of who he is, not what we do (my beautiful wife bestowed this revelation upon me). We just have to learn to be like him (a great reason to talk with Him). It's hard because we constantly risk being hurt or let down - but the rewards are so great. If things like this stop us loving we have to ask the question of ourselves - Did we really love them at all?
Posted by in adelaide @ 19:07 on Aug 22 2008
mal, i'm sure your only publishing stories on this site that support your argument so i sincerly doubt that i'll see this comment on there....
michael is a liar! he fooled lots of people into believe something with a lie, in any other profession he'd be charged with fraud, forgivness with time maybe! of course your backing michael mal, you work for the same church! we're not all stupid!
i'm dissapointed beyond belief with michael and even more with your organisation for backing this! i know i wont ever see this comment published, so what's the point?...
mal, i'm sure your only publishing stories on this site that support your argument so i sincerly doubt that i'll see this comment on there....
michael is a liar! he fooled lots of people into believe something with a lie, in any other profession he'd be charged with fraud, forgivness with time maybe! of course your backing michael mal, you work for the same church! we're not all stupid!
i'm dissapointed beyond belief with michael and even more with your organisation for backing this! i know i wont ever see this comment published, so what's the point?...
Posted by steve in adelaide @ 18:49 on Aug 22 2008
i went to hugh school with you michael, i'm in shock that your such a fraud!!! what else have you been lying about?
let me guess... in a couple of months when this all dies down you'll come out and ask for forgivness in a big show like you did with the oxygen tubes and all will be forgiven! i can bet you'll be that predictable! this is not on!
i went to hugh school with you michael, i'm in shock that your such a fraud!!! what else have you been lying about?
let me guess... in a couple of months when this all dies down you'll come out and ask for forgivness in a big show like you did with the oxygen tubes and all will be forgiven! i can bet you'll be that predictable! this is not on!
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"LEADER?" "LEADERSHIP"??????IS THAT IN THE BIBLE????
Just wondering,
the word “LEADER” how many times was it mentioned in the NEW (Jesus) TESTAMENT,
1-The KJV/NKJV/ASV/NIV I found NONE,
BUT in other translations I found a mention to the word leader couple of times and here it is:
-Mt 23:10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
- Lu 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the SERVANT.
Well now we understand that Jesus did not come to recruit leaders….leadership maniacs, you wanna be a leader because off course you are TALENTED, FIND somewhere else to show off but not in the house of PRAYER.
BY the way, I here you asking, the word “SERVANT”, how many times was mentioned in “GRACE (NEW) TESTAMENT..you wouldn’t believe it!! Mr. “me me me I wanna be a leader in the church because I am talented”…..WHAT?!!
1- in KJV is 79 times
2- in NKJV is 80 times.
3- The American Standard Version 82times.
4- in NIV is 97 times
5- The Good News Translation 106 times!!!!!!
WATDDAA!!!! 2:106
Was that an accident?! well Jesus did not come to recruit “talented/awesome/handsome/gifted..etc LEADERS”
HE (Jesus)discipled his followers to SERVE SERVE SERVE
IN HUMILITY depending completely on their ONLY LEADER, JESUS THE SERVANT KING…..
STOP LEADING THIS LIFE STYLE BY SERVING AND ONLY SERVING…
ALSO a leader will have followers, and when he falls ....!!!!!
It would have been much better for them to follow the only MASTER...LEADER JESUS..
IT IS ABOUT TIME NOW, you started TEACHING the bible, instead of selling it?!
the bible does not need "SALT, PEPPER, AND SPICES", it is powerful enough if it is taught properly...
A Saved sinner!
this is the most pertinent post I have seen in two days of reading. Thanks
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